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Is this the first step towards the Official World Rankings?
Authored by: David Verngren on Wednesday, March 17 2010 @ 11:33 pm ACDT

I can see that point Brett about some 9s SHOULD be included.

But as you pointed out "where do we draw the line" ie 18/16/14/12.. Where do we draw the line of which 9's to be included?
Now I'm fairly new in the game, but as you pointed out, which cups have 9's rules, from what I can see, there are more cups for 9's than 18's.
I only know of the IC and now, the inaugural EC in Denmark/Sweden.

Its hard for developing countries to field an all national side. Not only for 18's but also for 9's. I do not know how the development in Oceania/South Africa and North America is, with regards to beeing able to fill the whole squad with nationals.
Maybe an idea for the points is: If an expat-aussie plays for a 9's team, then 11% of those points are deducted. if 2 play, 22% etc etc.. Same rule could apply for a 18's game, with modified percentages. Just throwing up ideas to discuss, not saying they are great or even good.

Bottom line however for me, is that 9's for me is a completely different game regarding, tactics, positions and the overall flow of the game. But yes Brett, they come from the same family of games.. and maybe the sport just isnt big enough to have to complex world rankings running just right now.

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Is this the first step towards the Official World Rankings?
Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, March 18 2010 @ 12:11 am ACDT

Exactly David, we're all just kicking around ideas and bouncing them off each other.

Yeah, certainly my initial gut feel was that there is insufficient data for a statistical model for rankings. But some of Cam's results, and given the forthcoming Euro Champs and Oceania Cup, gave me reason to think it may work. Especially if relevant 9s can be included.

In terms of you saying there's more 9s tournaments, yes kind of. Certainly a lot of club 9s. But in terms of internationals, what do we have? The EU Cup and CEAFL (held occasionally and was the forerunner to the EU Cup and mostly stood aside when the EU Cup got going). Not sure what numbers the recent Scotland and Wales matches have used.

The Middle East 9s wouldn't really count at this stage as almost all are expat Aussies. In Asia I think the Asian Champs are played with larger squads, although again, mostly expats although slowly changing.

South Africa these days don't get to play internationals against other countries outside of the IC, though their matches against the Boomerangs and Australian U17s are 18s. (I guess we could chuck Australia in with ranking points based on the U17s!)

But the US play Canada regularly in 18s. Ireland, GB and Denmark have been playing a 3-way series as 18s, or at least "Tests" between the 3 of them. Germany, Sweden and Denmark had the same briefly.

So I think outside of the EU Cup I don't see a lot of 9s internationals. Anyone else think of any?

Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

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Is this the first step towards the Official World Rankings?
Authored by: Joel Adin Porretta on Thursday, March 18 2010 @ 10:51 am ACDT

Good point david. I think games should be a least 14 a side.

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