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IC11 Men's Div 1 Grand Final - Ireland's Double Glory

International Cup 2011

Ireland have come back from a 28-point deficit midway through the second term to defeat the PNG Mosquitoes by 18 points today, in a match that saw the Warriors become the first nation to win two International Cups, as well as the first nation to win the Men's and Women's International Cups in the same year.

It was PNG that threatened to take the game away early.

Ali Pinda kicked the game's first goal, after receiving a free kick for a high tackle, directly in front of goal. The Mozzies were repelling all Irish attacks, with Tiernan Carbry and Lawrie Logo holding fort in the defensive 50.

A long kick to full forward to full forward from Brendan Beno saw Susuve go up for the mark and be pushed in the back, kicking PNG's second go from the resulting free kick.

Fergal McManus marked 40 metres out from Ireland's goal, then received a 50 metre penalty when his PNG opponent ran across the mark, kicking Ireland's first from the goalsquare.

But that was all the scoring the Warriors could manage in the first term, David Meli kicking PNG's third just before quarter time to give the Mozzies a 14-point lead.

The Mozzies burst out of the blocks in the second quarter, with Ali Pinda kicking a point from 40 metres out early in the term. Brendan Beno received a centering kick from Pinda shortly thereafter to kick PNG's first for the term.

When Stanis Susuve kicked a brilliant checkside goal from deep in the pocket 10 minutes into the quarter, the Mozzes were out to a 28-point lead ad looked set to take home back-to-back International Cups.

From here, the Irish rallied with two goals to Mick Finn in as many minutes - the first from a mark at centre half forward, the second from a powerful pack mark, putting Ireland back within 16 points at half time.

Passions were running high, and a melee broke out between the Warriors and Mozzies after the half time siren, before officials stepped in to separate the two sides.

The third quarter saw the Irish attack continue, with Fergal McManus kicking the first of the quarter after receiving a free for a high tackle, then following it up for his second goal, sharking it off the pack and snapping on the run.

Finn had a chance to put the Irish in front, but only achieved a behind, followed by a set shot on goal by John Heslin that went out on the full. Another strong mark at centre half forward to Mick Finn resulted in another point, and the Irish went to the break only 1 point down.

The final term opened with Michael Carey kicking a point from just on 50, to draw level.

After a 25 metre penalty was awaded to Ireland at half back, a running passage of play through the centre saw Mick Finn receive the ball just outside 50 and kick it long over the pack, where it bounced through for a goal, finally giving Ireland the lead.

From here the Mozzies couldn't connect the dots in the forward line, although Peter Labi and Lawrie Logo were standing tall across half back with their strong marking holding the Irish from going further in front. Brendon Beno even found himself in defence, playing well in a situation unfamiliar to how we've seen him at the IC11.

Susuve took a strong mark on the lead at centre half forward and had a chance to bring PNG back into the match, but kicked it out on the full.

When Ferghal Purcell gathered, ran in and goaled, Ireland were 2 goals up with only a few minutes remaining.

A clash of heads at PNG's centre half forward saw two Irish players go down briefly, threatening to eat into the clock and push the match even further from their grasp,

Susuve had another shot at goal, but hit the behind post.

The Irish dropped numbers back, eliminating down PNG's attacking forays, forward line target Finn taking some strong grabs in the defensive arc.

When the siren went, the Irish were 2 goals up, with Mick Finn kicking a goal after the siren make Ireland 18 point winners, becoming the first side to win 2 Men's International Cups, and doing so in the same year they won the first Women's.

Final Score: Ireland 8.5 (53) def PNG 5.5 (35)

Ireland
Goal Kickers: M. Finn 4, F. McManus 3, F. Purcell
Best Players: M. Finn, S. McGuinness, C. Quigley, R. Hanmore, F. Purcell, G. Walls

PNG
Goal Kickers: S. Susuve 3, B. Beno , A. Pinda
Best Players: P. Philip, J. Ikupu, S. Susuve, G. Simon, B. Beno, J. James



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IC11 Grand Final - Ireland\'s Double Glory
Authored by: Cam Homes on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 04:00 PM CST

Howdy All,

Congratulations to Ireland, WOW! winning both men's and women's cups, what a great effort and achievement.

WFN World Ranks at the conclusion of IC2011 Looks like this:

  1. Australia
  2. Ireland  57.78   38*    3#
  3. Papua New Guinea  54.63   29    2
  4. New Zealand  52.99   33    4
  5. South Africa  49.00   22    7
  6. Nauru  46.15   19    5
  7. United States  45.84   35    6
  8. Tonga  44.73   9    8
  9. Great Britain  43.51   43    10
  10. Samoa  41.85   18    9
  11. Canada  37.82   35    11
  12. Sweden  37.41   26    14
  13. Germany  37.37   10    13
  14. Denmark  37.08   41    12
  15. Peace Team  36.51   11    15
  16. China  34.36   11    17
  17. Japan  30.39   24    16
  18. Finland  29.02   13    19
  19. India  28.47   11    18

 

#Last number rank before last round of matches in IC2011.

  • Provisional nation's placings are as follows:
  • Fiji  45.21   6*
  • Croatia  40.61   4
  • France  38.26   7
  • Iceland  35.64   4
  • Timor Leste  27.40   6

* Number of games played.

Cam

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Authored by: Tobietta Rhyman on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 06:19 PM CST

I'm assuming the women's are (All-Australian #1) Ireland #2, Canada #3, USA #4 and PNG #5

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Little Pommy Girl
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Authored by: Brett Northey on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 07:02 PM CST

As we get more matches in the system like this then yes we can start up a system for women's.

Regarding an explanation for Steve for what Cam has posted, these are our unofficial WFN World rankings, which we've compiled based on all qualifying matches since 1994.  So obviously the IC11 results are just the latest contribution to that list and will influence the standings but not force them to be the same.

It's a complicated system by necessity but if you feel like a long read then start here:  World Rankings

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Authored by: Stephen Alomes on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 05:34 PM CST

It struck me that like last year's final it was a top game of football.

It also proved that running teams are the way to go, aided by strong marking. Until the Irish started to play on and move the ball in the second half they struggled.

When they did - and put pressure on PNG which was stronger bodily pressure than in earlier matches - they dented the Mosquitoes' confidence, and suddenly their running game ran out of puff.

It would have been good if the match had begun at 12.00 and the AFL teams warm up happened at half-time, rather than the final starting in an almost empty stadium at 11.20 (I counted 35 people in the top deck of the Great Southern Stand at the start of the second quarter).

It is not rocket science to rejig this, and as fans are crying out for curtain-raisers, the AFL and the MCC/MCG could easily implement it, even if it meant shorter quarters in curtain-raisers.

Despite this problem, the final was a great culmination to a very well-organised and top class tournament, complemented by the Parade of Nations at half-time in the AFL match between Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs.

PS I would appreciate a translation of Cam's lists - I can't understand how B division teams are seemingly ahead of A division teams or is that just the way it looks on the page.

 

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Authored by: Cam Homes on Sunday, August 28 2011 @ 11:43 AM CST

Stephen,

The only 1st Division team ranked lower than this years 2nd Division teams is Japan who has a 5-19 win-loss record and even if we only go back to 2005 their win-loss ratio is 5-12 whereas Peace Team and China only moved into the ranks mid IC 2011 have 4-7 and 3-8 win-loss ratios respectively. Japan started the IC with less rating points than either Peace Team and China and their win loss record in the IC was no better than those two teams.

It is also very important to look at the Rating Points of each nation as well as the Rank. Denmark with 37.06 is only separated from Canada  with 37.82 by 0.76 Rating points and there are two nations, Germany and Sweden in between. As Brett stated, one win by any of these teams would see them leap frog over the others.

The system does have a traffic jam at around  37 rating points and that is because the system is still evolving, and yes, we had Four nations join the Full Ranks during the IC.

For a better understanding of how the system works do read the explanation as Brett suggested.

Keep on kicking!

Cam

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Authored by: Mister Football on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 07:42 PM CST

It's hard to believe that Denmark could drop to 14th, below Sweden and Germany, and barely above the Peace Team.

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Saturday, August 27 2011 @ 11:32 PM CST

Probably about 3 spots too low, but there's a cluster there where one win against good opposition would put them up those several spots.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Authored by: Rory Slater on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 12:10 PM CST

 

 

'ERIN GOBRATH'

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Authored by: Rod Shaw on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 02:19 PM CST

Hopefully the Oceania Cup can be set up as a half way point for the senior teams between each IC. Darwin was a great place for the Arafura Cup but reality says a Brisbane location would be a cheapish option or obviously one of the islands/NZ for promotion. You would hope that by say 2013 you could have PNG, NZ, Nauru, Tonga, Samoa and Fiji with perhaps Vanuatu and the Solomon Islands in attendance. A 9 day tournament 9 (a working week required for those needing to takke leave) would probably work o'k. Would be good preparation I would think for IC and for the stats monkeys would give more real data for world rankings.

Rod

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Authored by: Rod Shaw on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 03:36 PM CST

I forgot Timor Leste- so there is another country.

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Authored by: Aaron Richard on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 03:40 PM CST

Rod's right in that for the rankings to be meaningful, we need regional tournaments between the ICs.

The Oceania seniors could easily count 9 or 10 sides by 2013.

When the next (full-field) European Championships occur in 2013 in Dublin, they'll probably have more than a dozen nations that can bring a full side - Ireland, GB, Denmark, Sweden, France from this year's IC, plus hopefully Finland, Iceland, Spain, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands...

In Asia, maybe there's a chance that a few matches under IC-rules could be played in tandem to the current expat-focussed Asian Championships?  I.e you could still field the majority Aussie China Reds vs Japan Goannas in the main draw of the Asian Champs, but also have a separate series for the China Red Demons vs Japan Samurai.  Obviously financial constraints might make it hard to get the all-local iterations of East Timor, India, China and Japan together between ICs, but maybe it's a possibility.

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Authored by: Aaron Richard on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 03:42 PM CST

In the absence of an Asian comp under IC eligibility rules, would it be a possibility for East Timor, Japan etc to field a side in the Oceania Champs?  I.e. it becomes an Asia-Pacific comp, coordinated by the AFL Oceania?

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Authored by: Rod Shaw on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 04:16 PM CST

I think stats geeks like myself might think that was pretty cool but the football development side of me would be saying how will this advance the footy in my country- what are the benefits against the costs in terms of money/time/key personnel burn out?????

I also know from experience that any AFL money/time has traditionally been heavily weighted to junior development/sourcing of elite juniors from other sports.

 That said I think it should happen but I am no longer at the coalface and I would certainly not want to see anything drop off in terms of junior development, talented player pathways(those on scholarships in Aus, those involved at Aus Championships, those making their own way in Aussie) etc

I'm sure the WFN staff who have been working their butts off over the last two weeks will be thinking "Oh no....."

 

Rod ;-)

 

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Authored by: joingler on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 04:27 PM CST

I personally think that regional tournaments such as the Oceania champs would be more viable if the IC was made every 4 years. As it stands, tournaments are too close together.

Also, what do Europeans think of the idea of allowing USA and Canada into the European Championship (making it a tournament similar to the Atlantic Cup held in 2001). This would bring obvious benefit to USA and Canada but I think it would help the European nations as well.

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Authored by: Aaron Richard on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 07:02 PM CST

 I've thought about this too - not sure what the consensus from the Europeans would be. 

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Authored by: RevoOldBoy on Tuesday, August 30 2011 @ 12:37 AM CST

In 2001 we held the Atlantic Alliance Cup, with Canada, Denmark, Ireland, UK and the USA all attending. Ireland won out that year too.

I agee that we need to have something in between the IC. Not that I care too mucc about the official rankings right now as I think its obviuos still who is Div 1 and who isnt,  but this way the Northern hemisphere teams would have a chance to measure themselves against other competition more than every three years. Japan, from a pure logisitics perspective could choose to participate in either tournament.

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Authored by: Rog on Tuesday, August 30 2011 @ 10:03 AM CST

Nic Naitanui was born in Australia and spent all of his teenage years in Australia and would only be eligible to play for Australia under current rules.

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Authored by: dantez on Monday, August 29 2011 @ 10:54 PM CST

I think the mid-term (10 year) strategy is to have a sanctioned continental tournament each year, and an International Cup every 4 years. The top 4 sides from each region (Americas, Oceania, Europe, Asia/Africa) play off in the International Cup. And bet that the AFL will at some point roll the dice and hold it outside of Melbourne (possibly in an emerging market) to generate interest. But for it to be a true tournament, there has to be an amateur Australian team. No players that receive payment for playing permitted (therefore eliminating AFL and VFL players). To balance the scorecard a little, non-Australian paid players (eg. Tadhg Kennelly, Nic Naitanui) may be eligible to play for thier home country.

It will lift the standard of the overall competition, encourages teams to first win in thier own region before coming to Australia to get belted (eg. France competed, but they've never even been close in EU Cup 9-a-side let alone 18-a-side).

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Tuesday, August 30 2011 @ 10:29 AM CST

I agree with Dantez that an Australian side needs to be considered.  Although note that when you say they can't be paid players thus ruling out AFL and VFL, remember that many players get paid across Australia, certainly at state league level but also below.  I suspect the highest paying state league would be the SANFL, followed by the VFL then WAFL.  But there are several leagues in Victoria that could be considered semi-pro, and even in the "amateur" league in SA some players are paid.

Nevertheless, I'd like to see an All-Australia amateur side, say U18, selected and play against Ireland and PNG, to test the waters.  If they still win by 30 goals then the international game is not ready yet.  But we need to test it to see.  Ironically the Australian Amateur Football Council already selects a side like that, U23 I think, to tour Ireland.  For some reason there is a disconnect with getting them to play the top nations.

But note that at the International Development Forum the AFL did flag sending more teams to overseas competitions, so hopefully that is followed through and will address part of this issue of exposure to higher standard Aussie sides, see International future - Foxtel Cup and 250,000 players

However the biggest issue about whether they move to qualification etc is whether the AFL and the nations want to exclude teams.  It was written above as though having France there was a bad thing (and I'm just using them as an example therefore).  But they were tremendous for the tournament in terms of camaraderie and culture, plus they played some good footy to make it to the Div 2 grand final.  It also gave the AFL a chance to immerse the French hierarchy in some Aussie Rules culture and learn about the AFL system, build contacts etc.  Plus by having more and more teams the event gets bigger in terms of visitors which makes it more attractive to the host city and something the AFL could make cities bid for.

So the big question is whether to try to make it elite and smaller in terms of participating nations (but presumably bigger as a spectator event with serious promotional budget) or have it grow bigger in terms of number of nations and therefore marketable to a city that way (which in turn still costs more to run)?  A choice has to be made.  My feeling is the AFL will stick with the latter at least for 2014.

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Authored by: Rog on Tuesday, August 30 2011 @ 05:27 PM CST

If anyone cares, my alternative ranking system based on the Elo ranking system looks like this after the IC11

1. Ireland 1454 points

2. PNG 1420

3. New Zealand 1387

4. USA 1224

5. South Africa 1216

6. Nauru 1187

7. Fiji 1080

8. Great Britain 1062

9. Tonga 1016

10. Samoa 994

11. Denmark 980

12. Canada 956

13. France 947

14. Peace Team 914

15. Germany 910

16. Sweden 890

17. Croatia 890

18. Iceland 820

19. Japan 770

20. China 762

21. India 688

22. Finland 671

23. East Timor 666

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Authored by: Rog on Tuesday, August 30 2011 @ 05:31 PM CST

Forgot Spain at 24th  after East Timor

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Authored by: Harley Vague on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 10:07 AM CST

IMO it's still too early to include an Australian  men's team but I suggest the way to go about it would be to hold a lottery from amateur clubs that are willing to host international sides or have an affiliation with an overseas league .

IMO it's time to include overseas women's teams in the nationals .This wpould be a big boost to women's football here and overseas .

 

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Authored by: Harley Vague on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 10:32 AM CST

The frequency of the IC should ultimately be decided by the players themselves.It's opportunity versus cost .I can see a growing importance of  European and Oceania Cups ,more important for the promotion of the member countries .than the IC .So there is logic from those wanting to increase the spacing of the IC and logic from those wanting some "qualification" for the IC .But in some ways the IC is more important to the 2nd division and newcomers .It validates ,rewards and encourages those countries that they are truly part of Australian football world .The French team has been used as an example .Well IMO they (and we)have benefited greatly from them being here more than an appearance in a Euro event .Hopefully that will change and they will become more competitive in European competition .it's interesting that the Germans have not as yet seen the value in the IC .

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Authored by: Cam Homes on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 11:05 AM CST

Cos789,

I agree with you that the AFL should have done more to create "brother/sister" "host" clubs for each of the Nations that participated in the IC. The awareness just in Australia that  would have generated around the country would have been of immense value to the code (especially in NSW) before the IC had even started.

I had an conversation with an avid footy follower only recently and when I told him about the IC he laughed at me and said "you're kidding me". He did not know about it and was amazed when I told him it was actually the 4th IC. He was even further amazed when I listed the countries that were involved and he could not believe that all the players were nationals with no expat Aussies playing.

When Denmark and France were mentioned he just shook his head and said I was just feeding him a cock and bull story.

I believe there are hundreds of thousands of footy followers and football club members and officials out there whose reactions would have been the same.

Promotion of the IC at this grass roots level certainly would have been so valuable because very little made the national media/press. There was virtually nothing in the Sydney press as I asked my daughter to check the papers there for me.

Cam

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Authored by: Harley Vague on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 11:53 AM CST

What's worse is that I met a couple of Swans supporters going early to watch the IC game at ANZ .They wanted to see more but couldn't find the information .In Royal Park I was talking to guy who happenned by . He was blown away by the whole event .Knew nothing .In Sydney the media mentioned the peace team a bit and Izzy with Tonga but nno practical details .Didn't catch much of the media in Melbourne but it did seem all after the event . I got tired of the same conversations ."I'm going to watch the International Cup ......Australian Football...No... Aussie Rules ...No.....Australians are banned from playing...18....Well there could've been a lot more coming ....No...Blacktown with the finals in Melbourne ."

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Authored by: Cam Homes on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 09:32 PM CST

18 suburban or near Sydney country footy clubs hosting one of the national teams with a bit of a warm up match before the cup started  and barby etc. between the players. Just wonder how many spectators(from the host club's players, officials, members and friends and families)  just might have made it their business go to Blacktown(at least on one day) and watch and support the  team that they had hosted. it would have numbered into hundreds I reckon. A few more hundred than those that did go because of their connection with teams(whether national or familial) would not have gone astray by the sound of it.

Hundreds more Aussie footy followers would have been made aware of the competition thru this grass roots promotion and at not a lot of cost to the organisers either.

A hell of a lot more than were made aware by the major media/press. Every local newspaper would have had a write up about the visitors coming to town/footyclub, again at no cost to the organisers.

By the way, were any crowd numbers recorded and published??

Cam

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 10:20 PM CST

The only crowd figures I'm aware of were that the AFL said about 2000 people passed through the gates at BISS on Game Day 1.  I assume that doesn't include players and officials.  I supposed 2000 spread between 2 grounds with people coming and going over the entire day means you'll only ever have maybe 100 people tops at any one ground at any one time, which is about what I saw.

Most of the grounds are not gated so no official figures would be collectable anyway.

In terms of relationships with local clubs, I know in 2008 the AFL put the call out for volunteer clubs, not sure on the mechanism this time.  I think there are quite a few that did occur this time you just don't read about them.  We mentioned a few along the way as we came across them.

But most local clubs aren't going to supply a big spectator base.  If you have such a relationship then how many people will care enough to go, and how many of them will be playing on the weekend simultaneously or busy and how many at work on a weekday etc.

So I think there was a bit of it about but doesn't translate into 1000s of fans, maybe 10s of fans per team.

Certainly helps with awareness amongst the footy fraternity though.  An official did mention to me that Sydney folk were in many ways more receptive than Melbourne folk to the whole idea of international footy.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Authored by: Harley Vague on Thursday, September 01 2011 @ 09:38 AM CST

As you say local clubs aren't going to produce spectators mid week or if their W/E games clash ,so games underlights ,curtraisers and curtainfallers would help .Even though there were sizeable crowds spectating at times just about all spectators had some connection .The Tongan community was visible in both Sydney and Melbourne supporting their country as were a lot of other spectators which is good of course but we need more of the general public .IMO Sydney is more receptive to the international flavour whilst Melbournians obsess with "the standard" .

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Authored by: Cam Homes on Thursday, September 01 2011 @ 10:27 PM CST

10 fans per team is 180 fans that did not turn up. + 40 for the women. I seem to recall that two of the womens matches were underlights or twilight games 15-20 fans per team to those matches?? roughly 230-240 possible fans we know weren't there because it wasn't tried.

Same deal in Melbourne = around 500 spectators who didn't go.

All a bit as tinka said the attitude seems to be about what might not happen instead of what just might happen if it is tried.

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, September 01 2011 @ 11:07 PM CST

But I'm saying that there were at least a few affiliations.  For a full discussion as to whether it would or wouldn't work, and whether it was or wasn't tried, we'd need to know how many, but not something I'm contemplating chasing.

So I agree it would be good, it's just not clear if it did happen or not, I just know it was attempted in 2008 without any real crowd impact.  Sounds like a good idea, not sure it makes a big difference in reality to crowds.  But where it is useful is building contacts, potential exchange programs, support etc.

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Authored by: Ronk on Wednesday, September 14 2011 @ 08:33 PM CST

I agree. I am quite shocked that the AFL did not do more to publicise the International Cup, especially in Sydney where the matches were played at Blacktown and it would be an ideal tie in with the launch of GWS.

The AFL is supposed to have great clout with the media but they didn't use it. I have an Indian friend living in Blacktown (where there is a huge Indian population) and he said he and many of his countrymen would have loved to see India in action if they had only known it was on. There was zero publicity in the ethnic media as far as I can tell. 

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Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Thursday, September 15 2011 @ 06:51 AM CST

From the publicity perspective, the AFL has been great this time around, the AFL website carried much more content with frontpage links all the time.  Brett Kirk spent the best part of the year roving the world and reporting back via his diary blog on footy outposts, and upon his return he did the media rounds - however, the local media in the main still doesn't know how to handle the International Cup, and 4 IC's in, people still have to stress 'No expats'. 

The irony of course is were the AFL to run a 'world cup' like RU, RL and even soccer - then, expats playing, people playing on the basis of parentage or even grand-parentage - that's the norm.

Sadly too many people go on about what the IC isn't.  Instead of focussing on what it is.

re ethnic based media coverage, from the Indian perspective, there were snippets in BeyondIndia (at least on line, I don't buy the paper!!).  However, like many things, you often need to know about it before hand to look for it.  This article shows that the local (Melb) Indian community was engaged with the side during the event.  Where I work thelocal paper ran a story about the French Coqs in town.  That there were events put on for visiting teams clearly shows that there was a level of knowledge/promotion prior to the event to facilitate the organisation.  What needs to happen though is that more people educate their mates about it over the next 3 years in preparation for IC14.  And perhaps the Indian community in Australia can do more to fund the Indian rep team rather than enthusiastic amateurs.

re 'affiliation', back in 2008, the AFL initially was trying to engage VAFA (VIc amo's) teams to 'host' international sides, but, progressively through the build up, the AFL clubs got more and more interested (despite the late Aug/early Sep timeslot - i.e. clashing with last rounds and early finals).  However, Tonga for example, in Sydney got there 2 weeks out and trained and some players played with Campbelltown Blues in the local comp. 

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Authored by: Cam Homes on Wednesday, August 31 2011 @ 10:13 AM CST

Regional Championships are very important and help promote the game in the host country, and they are great for prestige for the winning country.  The travel cost to the participating nations is more often a huge burden especially where long distances are involved.

SO I wonder if a number of 3 match test series(as happened between Tonga and New Zealand when the Oceania Champs fell over) is not a better option for the time being.

The advantage is that only half the number of teams are travelling in that year(the home sides travel the next year) so costs are less for the different leagues over any 3-4 year period.

Just need to try to have nations that are relatively evenly matched compete against each other so there are few blow out type games. Three very close matches will tend to create "showdown", "rivalry" situations between the nations which can only be good for promoting the sport in these countries. 

Cam

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