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Small losses for internationals in U16s

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The NAB AFL Under 16 Championships Division Two are on in Sydney's western suburbs.  The two international sides were not part of Round 1 but had both wins in Round 2.  Today saw Round 3 at Bruce Purser Reserve and both the World XVIII and South Pacific suffered small losses.

The World XVIII went down to Queensland by 18 points in a close tussle.  Earlier in the day the South Pacific played the combined NSW/ACT squad, being defeated by 21 points.  The results show that their previous wins were no flukes and they deserve their spots at the Championships, but that they are probably still a little behind their Australian compatriots, given a slight age advantage to the international teams.

The two international sides head back to nearby Blacktown to end the tournament on Saturday, with a match against each other.  Queensland are undefeated and look set to win Division Two.

Pictured is exciting South Pacific player Brendan Beno from PNG.

NSW/ACT 12.6 (78)
South Pacific 8.9 (57)

Queensland 11.6 (72)
World 8.6 (54)

 

Full Results

NSW/ACT 12.6 (78) defeated South Pacific 8.9 (57)

 Goals:

NSW/ACT: Clyne 3, Clothier 2, Perris 2, Gibbons, Pola Smith, Steele, Van Luenen, Potter

South Pacific: Beno 2, Gavuri, Heatherley, Tupou, Tuitupon, Alphonse, Lawrence

 Best:

NSW/ACT: Clyne, Hawkins, Perris, Gibbons, Ryan, Clothier Van Luenen

South Pacific: Beno, Gavuir, Heatherley, Logo, Tupou, Lawrence

Queensland 11.6 (72) defeated World 10.6 (54)

Goals:

Queensland: Davidson 2, Pendlebury 2, Mills 2, Dawson, Goodall, Tickner, Bourke, Conway

World: Daw 2, Gamakhulu 2, Saad, Molelle, Majok, Kur

Best:

Queensland: Conway, Pendlebury, Selman, Tickner, Davidson, Dawson, Watts, Radford

World: Saad, Gamakhulu, Kur, Abdallah, Aneet, Bartley

Tasmania 14.10 (94) defeated Northern Territory 2.6 (18)

 

Goals:

Tasmania: Wiggins 3, Boscott 2, Visser 2, Willis 2, Webster, Sergeant, Cleaver, Blazely, Lee

Northern Territory: Ankers, Darcy

 

 Best:

Tasmania: Boscott, Visser, Smith, Rayner, Webster, Kolodjashnij, Riddle

Northern Territory: Richardson, Pollard, Westerberg, Rioli, Chisholm-Espie, Ross

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Wednesday, July 13 2011 @ 07:38 pm ACST

Updated with full results from today,

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Rory Slater on Wednesday, July 13 2011 @ 08:59 pm ACST

 

Can anyone explain to me why the Haka was performed for the SP side before the bounce of the ball?

I thought the Haka was an Indigenous NZ tradition i.e. a ceremonial Maori dance.  

It is quite bemusing to me, that while this side is predominately of PNG origin a NZ cultural icon was chosen to represent them all.

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Brett Northey on Wednesday, July 13 2011 @ 10:45 pm ACST

Where did you see or read that there was a Haka?

Most of the island nations have their own dances, so I would guess that South Pacific produced a hybrid version, not the Haka as such, or maybe the Kiwis were happy to let them join in.

And if it was a hybrid, well all tradition started out somewhere as a first time.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 07:58 am ACST

Rory, as you were there you may be able to tell us if it was the NZ Haka or something else?

A brief history from memory on challenge dances in footy (i.e. I have not gone back to check the exact facts so there may be some minor errors);

Over the years at the International Cups - in particular the Pacific nations (including PNG) have performed pre match "challenge" or "war" dances. 

At one of the Oceania events or rep teams tours it was decided that there would be a combined "challenge" dance performed by the team before the match.  I suspect this is what was performed in Blacktown yesterday.

The indigenous Flying Boomerangs team having seen this up close also got together to create their own version in recent years (incorporating Aboriginal language and cultural references from a number of tribes).

This year the AFL indigenous team was set to use that same dance before they played Richmond in Darwin (which was moved to Alice Springs and then scrapped due to post cyclone storms). 

So while it has a short history in our game it has almost moved to be seen at the top level of football in our country.  Expect to see more of it in future as crowds and administrators seem to like it. 

To me it is much more impressive than having a team run onto the ground through crepe paper will ever be.

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 09:39 am ACST

Flying Boomerangs War Cry - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AJymFRjxg0 

The following was written by Flying Boomerangs captain JAY KENNEDY-HARRIS.

My favourite thing we've done here so far, apart from the football, is the war cry that we did as a group. It's something you do to scare the opposition, like the Haka, but this is our own version.

We've been developing that and working on making it better. We started doing it in Sydney on Sunday and then we've progressively developed it so we can do it just before the matches start. It started off really quiet and people thought it was a bit silly but now it's really intense and it's scary just being in it.

 

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 09:49 am ACST
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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 10:07 am ACST

Oh Troy now you want to tear a hole in the crepe paper tradition!?

You're tearing at the very fabric of the game.

You've brought a tear to my eye.

I'll stop now.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Cam Homes on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 12:32 pm ACST

The Haka is Maori and hence unique to NZ, but I'm sure that all of Samoa, Tonga,and Fiji have their own "war" dance which they have performed before the start of Rugby matches for many years. Each has their own name, but because we see the Haka more often than any of the others, every body labels them a haka too. I have seen at least a couple of those nations do their "haka", can't recall which ones with certainty tho'.

As for PNG, I also know that many Papuan Tribes would perform a similar  "dance" usually shaking spears and banging of shields in an attempt to frighten off the opposing tribe before a battle. I haven't seen(Aussies just don't see PNG sporting events on our TV's) this translated into a "haka" before PNG sporting events tho' but it could well have happened by now.

Rory seems to be too cocooned in Canberra to have seen any of the other nations perform their "haka" at world  events :-) Maybe that's a problem with Canberra TV stations?  :-)

Cam

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Cam Homes on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 12:40 pm ACST

I'm pretty sure Hawiian men do a similar 'War" dance but I'm usually always watching the women do the Hula, much more interesting!   :-)

Cam

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, July 14 2011 @ 09:51 pm ACST

Haka and Sivi Tau from IC2008.

 

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Friday, July 15 2011 @ 12:30 pm ACST

It's also worth noting there a lot of different hakas, performed on different occasions by different clans from around NZ.  The one the All Blacks do is the most famous, but isn't by any stretch the only one.

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Cam Homes on Friday, July 15 2011 @ 01:22 pm ACST

There ya go!

I knew somebody would come up with the name of another nations "haka".

New Zealand = Haka

Samoa = Sivi Tau

Tonga = ?

Fiji = ?    Anybody, some body enlighten us!

Cam

 

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Friday, July 15 2011 @ 03:27 pm ACST

Even the All Blacks have more than one version (including the contraversial one where they make a throat slitting motion).

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Rory Slater on Saturday, July 16 2011 @ 03:45 pm ACST

 

On the contrary, I have grown up in a very 'catholic' sporting culture attending a college boasting an honour list of Aust Schools reps second only to St Joeys in Sydney.

Needless to say, I have a comprehensive knowledge of Union and its sub culture, as well as supporting the Brumbies for a decade or more, playing the code at school a bit as well.

I am fully aware of the 'war dances' that distinguish the nations of Polynesia which is why I posed the question in the first place.

The Haka is a Maori tradition which many believe has degenerated into a commercial tool to promote all things NZ, rather than remaining sacrosanct culturally.  I am aware that countries i.e. Samoa and Tonga have there equivalents which I have been exposed to at International Union fixtures amongst others, over the years.

It seems a little tacky to be engineering some sort of hybrid concoction that sets out to represent what is essentially a side of varying and opposing cultures as well as it being predominately a PNG side at this point in time.  PNG as with Fiji, is Malaynesian not Polynesian, the latter sharing this particular style of dance.

Is this simply another sign that any control or indeed ownership of Australian Footies inroads into the Oceania region will be dominated and appropriated entirely by NZ at all levels?  We already know full well, that if there is to be any AFL expansion at the elite commercial tier, it will be to NZ, despite PNG currently presenting by far as the best grass roots catchment throughout Oceania.

I suggest this is the case and especially when you consider the movers and shakers within the AFL echelons, today talk up NZ even at the expedient disregard of the nations capital, amongst other far more worthy and compelling domestic options. 

 

 

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Brett Northey on Saturday, July 16 2011 @ 05:44 pm ACST

Ha ha great stuff Rory, once again you've managed to weave your dislike for New Zealand into a thread.  Hard to take your arguments seriously when at the end of the day they all seem to just be a cover for anti-NZ rhetoric.  A Kiwi must have done something really nasty to you once upon a time.

Look on the bright side, if NZ ever do get an AFL side you'll have a team to follow passionately, always desperate to see them lose.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Cam Homes on Sunday, July 17 2011 @ 11:19 pm ACST

I think you probably mean Melanesian not Malayesian, Rory.

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Small losses for internationals in U16s
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Friday, July 29 2011 @ 02:42 pm ACST

Congratulations to AFL Canberra who are reported to be celebrating their centenary today.

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