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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships

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The AFL NSW Under 16 state championships are underway. And, whilst the presence of both sides from the Sydney Swans Academy and the GWS Giants might be newsworthy enough to generate interest outside of NSW; there’s also the small matter of the Oceania Squad making their debut in the tournament. That the Oceania lads have kicked off Day 1 with a solid 16 point win over the NSW Northern Coast side.

Oceania 7.16 (58) defeated Northern Coast 6.6 (42)
Goals : Lucas Sili (Sol Is.) 2, Villiami Langi (Tonga) 2, Aleki Palaiti (Tonga) 2 and Thomas (Junior) Joel (Sol Is.) 1.

23 scoring shots to 12 is pretty conclusive. This should be noted as an Oceania side, and NOT a South Pacific side. While there ARE players from New Zealand for example, there are no players from PNG (who are instead eligible for Queensland). This is the important distinction between Oceania and South Pacific rep teams.

The Joss (major sponsor, the Joss Group of companies) State Zone trials tournament handbook contains some good background to the various sides, their regions, the academy sides as well as a write up on the Oceania lads – quoting AFL Asia-Pacific region manager Andrew Cadzow.

“All the players selected are new to both AFL and International travel and competition,” Cadzow said. “This will be both exciting and also a great opportunity to evaluate their progress.” “The boys will run and attack and they learn very quickly. A week playing against quality opposition and attending outstanding lectures and training will be of huge benefit [to their development].”

The venue for the tournament is the St.Ignatius College at Riverview.

There has been publicity in the lead up ranging from Fijian press, as seen on Fijilive, “Students compete in AFL Championship” to NSW local press such as The Coffs Coast Advocate, “AFL six given chance to shine”.

For the first time, the Zone Trials will include Sydney Swans and GWS Giants Academy teams as well as an Oceania team comprised of players from Fiji, Tonga, New Zealand, Solomon Islands, Nauru and Vanuatu.

For a fledgling AFL nation such as Vanuatu, having one representative in young Robert Toukoune (pictured) make the trip is a major achievement. Similar to Freddy Una paving the way for the Solomon Islands last year in the South Pacific squad at the NAB National U16s tournament.  This year, a further two Solomon’s representatives are making the trip, and as seen were amongst the goals on day one. Graeme Wilson who finished up recently as head of the Solomon’s RAMSI program, was seen recently on OneTelevision speaking about upcoming international commitments of some of his young players.

* It should be noted the Swans and Giants academy teams are Under 15s. Also note, that as an example, Kane Latham of Coffs Harbour has been selected in the Swans Academy side, such that he most likely would also have made the Northern Coast side.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: peterc on Tuesday, April 19 2011 @ 05:19 pm ACST

 Who are the NSW North Coast mob? are they from below the brick wall that runs fro East to West at Coffs Harbour? Because certainly no one from Summerland got a look in,or the teams from out west.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Tuesday, April 19 2011 @ 08:59 pm ACST

Day 2 results in,

South Sydney 16.16.(112) def Oceania 4.2.(26)

Goals for Oceania : Palaiti (Tng) 2, Sili (Sol Is.) 1, To'a (Tng) 1.

So, coming back down to earth a bit obviously.  For a benchmark, Northern Coast 3.3.21 went down to GWS Academy 9.9.63.

re the Northern Coast side - players come from Central Coast up to Coffs and Port Maquarie and Kempsey. 

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Tuesday, April 19 2011 @ 09:02 pm ACST

I have no idea how the selection process was undertaken, but as far as I know, "NSW North Coast" includes the Black Diamond AFL (Newcastle/Central Coast area), the North Coast AFL, Summerland AFL and Tamworth AFL.  

It did stand out to me as well, that there are no players in the squad from either the Summerland or Tamworth leagues.

I don't think I saw any players from the Central West AFL in any of the squads either  - not sure which region they're part of.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 06:14 am ACST

Yeah, I did notice the lack of far north (Summerland) lads.  They aren't per chance incorporated into a S-E QLD pathway??  (it'd just about be easier!!).

At any rate, the Swans squad includes kids from Westbrook and Singleton, then from Warners Bay and Cardiff and also from Nelson Bay.  Okay, all Black Diamond league, but from near Tamworth across to Newcastle.

The Northern Coast does have a lot of Central Coast lads (a lot around Gosford region, Narara, Woy Woy, Wyoming, Wyong, Niagara Park etc......all familiar to me as I have a brother who has lived up there for many years).  There's a lad from Singleton who lives in Tamworth.

That leaves the obvious assertion.  That the aspirational kids are gravitating to clubs in the Black Diamond league - as, the kids nearish to Tamworth who've been selected for rep duties have been playing out of Singleton.

Is it unfair or just indicative??  Or is there a real issue for the kids up Ballina way and the kids in Tamworth proper?

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 03:42 pm ACST

 Re: Summerland kids being in the Queensland pathway - not sure, but I don't think so.

The NSW champs are including some like the kids from the Broken Hill FL, who are in NSW geographically, but who as far as I know have always been part of the SANFL and considered honorary South Australians for footballing purposes.  Certainly the BHFL rep squad play their interleague matches against SA leagues rather than NSW sides.

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Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 04:56 pm ACST

It's funny, over the years, you hear a bit about whether QLD might divide into Nrth and Sth for two states instead of 1.

I reckon there needs to be some revision of other borders.  Sth Aust should take Broken Hill and Mildura.  Victoria should probably get everything south of the Murrumbidgee thus making Wagga and Canberra border cities (if, and that's only IF a river is still deemed a reasonable border rather than a valley separating ridge top.)

Anyway, whilst much of this may make great logic and send Moama and Barooga and Albury back into Victoria where so much of the pokies money came from,......it'd ruddy well stuff up the AFL NSW participation figures!!!!

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Brett Northey on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 05:32 pm ACST

Apparently when they started mining at Broken Hill in NSW it was Adelaide (SA) that extended their train line in 1888 to export the material, so Broken Hill became linked to SA both economically and socially.  The links remain well over a century later.  Broken Hill uses SA's time zone not that of NSW, the SA arm of the ABC always includes Broken Hill in its coverage, and we see young footballers like Taylor Walker growing up barracking for the Adelaide Crows (who he now plays for, picked up via the NSW Scholarship program, although rumoured to be a target for GWS Giants).

He Mick, sounds like you're keen to change Australia's state boundaries.  West Aussies often talk about becoming a separate country - if they do that they would have a pretty handy International Cup side.

Note to any readers not familiar with Australian politics these last few posts about state border changes are all highly unlikely and mostly said with humour - about as likely as the USA saying to Canada "hey do you want Alaska, it's a better fit with you guys".  Then again Russia sold Alaska to the US to keep it away from Britain/Canada, so maybe the US can sell it to someone else to help with their recent debt issues.  We may have wandered away from discussing footy here...

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Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 05:53 pm ACST

true - mostly in humour, all those rascally Sandgropers have verged on nearing militancy a couple of times, or at least sounding like it.

btw - people who denounce Aust Footy as NOT being international tend to forget that Germany at 357K km2 would fit into NSW at 809K km2 twice with room left over for a handful of geographically smaller European nations.  Victoria is 'small' geographically, but at 237K km2, is 2/3rds the size of Germany.  So, in many respects, the AFL is 'big enough' to be an international sport (in essence, so too the 'domestic' leagues of the USA).

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 06:01 pm ACST

Day 3 results and a mixed bag for Oceania as they put in a respectable effort vs Riverina : Riverina 8.6.(54) defeated Oceania 4.2.(26) Goal kickers : Robert Toukoune (Vntu) 2, Ash Wear (NZ), Asiea To’a (Tng) alas, in the 2nd game, ACT/South Coast 13.6.(84) defeated Oceania 0.3.(3) reminder the day 1 and 2 games being a longer format (4 * 17 mins) than day 3 and 4 (2 * 17 mins). Tomorrow, day 4, Oceania take on Murray & GWS Giants. On form, both games will be a challenge.

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Authored by: Rory Slater on Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 08:16 am ACST

 With all the talking up of expansion of the elite AFL brand to NZ and especially in the context of grass roots of my particular footy demo, the ACT, I would like to say that this notion is not only insulting but a folly that will disenfranchise many in the process if this global cringe is ever realised.

I know that this site is a fraternity of global expansionism and very much the converted preaching to the converted, however i feel compelled to keep some of the contributors hyperbole in perspective, especially when you consider the status of this carnival in a national sense.

Regards

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 09:38 am ACST

Rory, that has nothing to do with this article - we are following the fortunes of the Oceania Juniors in the NSW/ACT regionals - not currently discussing AFL clubs playing out there.

There is a team of young blokes from the Pacific (not even including the PNG boys, who make up the majority of playing numbers across the region) who are talented enough to win a few games.  What's your problem with that?

Are people not allowed to play footy outside Australia until Canberra/Tasmania have an AFL side?

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 09:57 am ACST

Rory - as with Aaron, I'm not too sure of the relevance re this article/comments to 'elite' expansion (or not) into NZ (anytime in whatever timeframe into the future).   One might suggest that if you have a 'warning' of footballing doom and gloom based on a few kids kicking a footy around Vanuatu, Tonga or the Solomons, then please let us know!!!

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 10:06 am ACST

Can you please explain what global cringe is?  Cultural cringe was a term that was used after WW2 to describe the preference for things from outside Australia  due to the feeling that things Australian were inferior, but global cringe I am not aware of? 

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Rory Slater on Saturday, April 23 2011 @ 03:05 pm ACST

I am simply taking liberties by using a little literary license, 'cringe' here referring to reverse cringe if you like, so Australians who support our code as with so many on this site, deriving value through any international status they can glean, as opposed to being content and valuing it in it's current domestic one.

If this were seriously, only about a few kids kicking the Sherrin around and was only altruistic  intent, then that would be fine but we all know it is far more than that.

I have no problem with other countries taking up our great game as happens with the US homegrown brands, however I do take exception to anyone who promotes fringe overseas AFL demographics in favour of local ones, compromising these by affording internationals the great privilege of elite membership of the ultimate comp our game has to offer.

As already stated, there are many more deserving demographics in Australia compared to the footy back water i.e. NZ.  To go down that path would be a cynical commercial exercise, overiding any merit based criteria and ultimately causing irreparable damage to the AFL, the code and it's faithful, disenfranchising many to this end.

 

Regards

 

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Authored by: Aaron Richard on Saturday, April 23 2011 @ 03:46 pm ACST

Are you somehow under the impression that the AFL is investing heavily in this?

The footy being played outside Australia is 99% self-funded and run by passionate volunteers.  Only in a few small areas is the AFL putting in a bit of development cash.  Some AFL clubs kick in jumpers etc.  But the rest of it is done solely for the love of the game.

The contributors to this site all know this, most of us having been part of overseas footy clubs and leagues, building it from scratch, or long-term followers.

You on the other hand seem to have absolutely no idea about any of this, and are just looking for a platform to vent about New Zealand maybe getting some AFL matches.

If, as you said in the previous post, you're "insulted" by the community of expat Aussies and enthusiastic locals getting together to play footy regularly all around the world, for nothing more than the love of the game, then I feel very, very sorry for you.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Rory Slater on Saturday, April 23 2011 @ 05:46 pm ACST

Aron

Please do not feel sorry for me, I don't.

The Kennets of this world are most certainly serious about NZ and when they do come out with these sorts of insulting suggestions those in WFN land jump right on the band wagon.

You seem to contradict yourselves if as you say there is little cause for concern at the same time promoting these sorts of que jumping notions foor the cause i.e. your global cringe and at the expedience of Australian footy demos i.e. mine.

Nuff said

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 12:01 pm ACST

This seems, in your mind, tobe very clearly about the ACT versus NZ, and the fear that somehow NZ will get footy at your expense.  The AFL have played numerous matches in the ACT with in general a fairly poor turnout from the locals.  If the locals are waiting for their own team then this is a pointless discussion because you will not get one if you don't support AFL matches there.  There does not appear to be a demand, and it is a small population.

The apparent inadequacy of the ACT at this point in time or the foreseeable future to support an AFL club has absolutely nothing to do with NZ, other than it seems a neat way for you to combine two issues you're obviously passionate about - AFL for the ACT and hating NZ.

Who knows, maybe the next two teams in the AFL will be Tasmania and a third WA side.  Then for the next expansion the AFL might be looking for two more teams, one in NZ and one in ACT simultaneously, provided the ACT has grown to a reasonable size and has a stronger AFL following - currently it is relatively small and heavily split between Aussie Rules and the Rugby codes.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Rory Slater on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 08:03 pm ACST

Brett

You obviously are out of touch with footy domestically.

The last turn out at Manuka Oval for the Swannies v Doggies was 14.5K, hardly a poor gate.  The League and Union elite brands here only average around 12K anyway.

I believe my concerns are more than valid when someone as influential as Jeff Kennett spouts his NZ vision while the AFL run with it and of course your wfn fraternity all jump on the band wagon talking up NZ without so much as a mention of the ACT.

If i am at all prejudice it is because I naturally do not wish to see a backwater i.e. NZ  be gifted an elite presence at our expedience as has happened in other Australian codes.

A crack has certainly appeared in your supposed altruistic sentiment, expressing ignorance and indeed prejudice towards the ACT, so yours is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black Brett.

This site is obviously way too introspective for the likes of me, which is somewhat ironic given your worldly ways. 

Regards

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 08:50 pm ACST

Rory -

in the main, WFN 'reports'.  So, when a Jeff Kennett let's loose, if it's deemed somewhat relevant, then, we report it.  Do we agree 100% or 0%, that's not really the issue.  You seem to assume that reporting on certain comments is an endorsement of those comments.  That's not necessarily the case.  As far as NZ is concerned, the reality is that the NZ side was one of the more poorly performed in last years Oceania U16s.  The Solomon Sharks came out and beat them.  We aren't getting carts ahead of horses here.  However, the involvement of HAWTHORN (not the AFL, but Hawthorn, and thus the vested interest of J.Kennett in pushing it) in NZ, does add a degree of profile to footy in NZ.  btw - as a North supporter, I kinda wish we were still playing a couple of games in Canberra, with the Murray Kangaroos playing a couple of games at Albury or Lavington each year and all that,.......but, that didn't happen.  Hopefully Canberra and the GWS and NSW zones and the GWS academy pathway and the like can 'work' for sometime.  Who knows what lies ahead.  For now - the AFL has structured up the NEAFL, and the presence of ACT clubs in the 'NSW' conference ahead of Sydney shows a level of respect from the AFL.  Via the NEAFL and the Foxtel Cup, there's been some pretty exciting movements domestically.  I'd be thinking that footy folk in Canberra would be focussing on where these new paths will lead.

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Authored by: Rory Slater on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 09:58 pm ACST

 Mark

 I heard it said that the AFL put pressure on the doggies to drop the ACT and NT like the proverbial hot spud to explore NZ.

I do believe the AFL are very much pushing the NZ expansion at our expense for ALL the wrong reason and I intend to continue playing devils advocate in this respect. 

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 10:13 pm ACST

re suggestions of AFL nudging Doggies out of Canberra.  Even if this is true - the obvious connection to make would be that the AFL want's GWS and Swans to get the NSW and (and by default, the) ACT focus.  That's not entirely unreasonable.  For example - were it that North Melb were still playing a couple of games at year at Cararra, I dare say, we'd've been given the nudge by now.  Slightly different of course, as Canberra won't be the 'home' of the Giants.  However, it's probably verging on the obvious what the preferred strategic structures (in and around ACT) might be going forward - that the Western Bulldogs might not be deemed an ideal fit, ......wouldn't surprise me.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Rory Slater on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 09:53 pm ACST

 ps Brett

The ACT may be split between the Rugby codes and Aust Footy yet NZ is being touted and even mentioned in the same breath as the ACT by some as an AFL elite demographic, despite its obsessive Union culture and NO Aust Footy pedigree whatsoever.

I certainly don't apologise for exposing this sort of incredulous ignorance.

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Brett Northey on Sunday, April 24 2011 @ 11:19 pm ACST

Rory now you're replying to "Mark" when there was no such person in this thread?

I guess you feel you're losing the argument when you resort to comments like the recent ones, about Canberra vs NZ.  My point that Canberra is split between codes is very relevant.  A small population that will always be split versus a whole country that you only need to get a niche in to get both a decent size following and the economic/business support necessary.

So, again, it isn't ACT vs NZ, it's ACT having issues that make it not particularly attractive for its own AFL side.  Why so obsessed with having an AFL club anyway, what's wrong with your local footy?  Why are you so stressed that NZ could have 1 AFL club oneday, when Melbourne already has 9?  Why aren't you hammering away demanding less teams in Melbourne?  And funny how you seem to want to sledge people that don't agree with you, dropping in little slights here and there about ignorance when you know damn well all along that it's a matter of difference of opinion not knowledge.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Rory Slater on Monday, May 02 2011 @ 03:52 pm ACST

Brett

With all respect, I don't believe I am losing or winning anything here really and that I punched in 'Mark' instead of 'Michael' is hardly cause to render my sentiment baseless.  Your response probably is as much about pedantic hair splitting as mine might be 'sledging' as you like to put it -  a bit of the pot calling the kettle black on your part I believe.

Again, you contradict yourself Brett.  Why can't Kiwis support there local Australian Footy comps and be satisfied with that then?  Why wouldn't the nations capital want a piece of the AFL pie, given the powerful symbology that the indigenous code evokes and the pedigree and loyalty this region, along with other Australian football demographics, have provided the game historically, remembering NZ has not?   You invest much in advocating on behalf of international countries in particular NZ and at the expense of local options, which is evident by your inference that Canberra is not worthy of AFL elite status, while NZ is, which is insulting as already expressed.

Aside from your banker type analogies that promote NZ to growing the 'brand' the reality is there exists NO criteria that favors this country ahead of Canberra and I would argue that the commercial one you have touted is hardly convincing, especially when you consider the GC and GWS experiments are likely to take decades to be realised if at all -  so any NZ foray on the AFL's part would make these current challenges pale in comparison. 

Wellington is no larger than Canberra, which is as commercially viable if not more so than the NZ capital.  It's proximity to both Sydney and Melbourne is closer than NZ and despite being smaller than Auckland it has the distinct advantage of being an Australian city, the capital, possessing an inherent culture for the game unlike the hostile backwater across the ditch.

NZ's population is predominately to  heavy so Auckland is the more likely base I suppose however, NZ still small presents challenges in respect of distances as well as stadia, so there is no guarantee that a market on an AFL scale and criteria exists there, ahead of the options available in this country,especially.  Conversely, Canberra has a population of 380k with the potential to draw on a regional population of approx 700k including the footy heartland of the MIA.  The region actually has a long standing affinity and active relationship with our game as well as being close to Sydney and Melbourne.

While you use Canberra's 'catholic' sporting culture as a negative in it's ability to support an AFL side you contradict yourself by talking up NZ, which boasts the most parochial Union culture on the planet. The NZ sporting market currently struggles to support the elite codes represented through respective Australian Leagues in cities like Auckland and Wellington. These include Soccer, Union, League, Basketball, Netball, all of which are as vulnerable to market forces if not more so than Canberra.

It is clear that as much as I come across anti NZ to you (which is more about having the national capital acknowledged and represented at the most elite tier this cultural institution offers and NZ's ability to piggy back on our sporting leagues at the expedience of local demos) you most certainly come across sanctimoniously altruistic yet anti Canberra.  

Perhaps you should be putting your money where your mouth is Brett, by promoting the re location of the struggling Crowes and Port Adelaide to a NZ city as much as deny the nations capitals right of passage in this respect.  I mean Adelaide have two AFL brands, Soccer and Basketball with Union and League looking to expand there in the near future, so why shouldn't Adelaide be equally altruistic and content in giving up one or both of these to poor old NZ and PNG, while supporting their local SANFL?

I will be attending the mercenary NZ Bulldogs final hoorah, v the Swannies at Manuka footy oval this Saturday and hope that the gate again attracts a capacity crowd, i.e. 14G, which is larger than many of the gates Union and League attracted in NZ last weekend.  Given a larger stadia at Manuka I assure you our game would regularly pull gates of 15 to 20k from the get go Brett, weather permitting of course.

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Authored by: Brett Northey on Monday, May 02 2011 @ 06:14 pm ACST

Yes I couldn't resist nitpicking your post because they appeared to me to be increasingly wild and woolly.

Not sure what you mean by  Canberra's 'catholic' sporting culture.  Being the nation's small capital my understanding is that it has a high turnover of people coming from all around Australia, including many from Rugby League backgrounds, and if you somehow start to win over them or their children, they may well be gone back to Sydney etc.  So I think it's a tough gig with much smaller payoff than NZ.  But it still deserves support, which it gets through AFL NSW/ACT programs and now GWS - much more than the much larger Auckland gets.  If you don't believe in expansion as a good business proposition then don't hold out your hand for support from the same financial coffers.  We can go back to having the various state leagues only and the VFL run itself into the ground, and Rugby League can become the number one national sport.

You say I'm choosing NZ over Canberra.  I can't see how Canberra could support an AFL team, therefore there is no choice, they are independent issues.  I have a strong interest in one, and a mild interest in the other.  Hopefully other Canberrans can see this is not personal, I only argue "against" Canberra here as the issue is being (artifically in my opinion) linked to NZ.  If anything the strongest link to another region is GWS and whether Canberra/ACT wants to be associated with it.

I say you are as much anti-NZ as you are pro-Canberra because of numerous comments you've made in this thread, in emails and elsewhere.  I guess the Canberra issue allows the NZ issue to be presented by you more "innocently".

For interest, according to http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/vn_manuka_oval.html the average crowd is 11367 over the past 13 years for 1 to 3 games per year.  Looks like true capacity is about 15000.

Putting on my Crows supporter beanie, thanks for the offer you are welcome to have Port Adelaide.  Incidentally Port have averaged about 25000 per game at home over the last few years and are very much struggling financially (do you think they'd do better in Canberra?).  Adelaide has had 1 negative financial result last year, the first for many years if I recall correctly.  They averaged 36k to home games last year, down from a typical average of mid 40k in the years before that.

Should I be promoting Canberra?  I don't think so.  I'm here promoting international footy.  If I was not promoting international footy then I wouldn't be on this website.  Why should I put my "money where my mouth is" and promote Canberra, when that is not where my interest lies?  No offence to Canberra, and I'd be happy for them to one day get and sufficiently support an AFL club, but that's not where my interest lies.  Perhaps you can pay me to spend my spare time doing it?

Are we making any progress on this thread?

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Authored by: Cam Homes on Monday, May 02 2011 @ 08:21 pm ACST

Shees!!!!!!!!!! Twisted Knickers I say!

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Oceania score Day 1 win in NSW State U16 Championships
Authored by: Brett Northey on Monday, May 02 2011 @ 08:33 pm ACST

Cam, what your post lacks in eloquence is compensated for by its clarity and succinctness.   8)

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN
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Authored by: Cam Homes on Monday, May 02 2011 @ 08:55 pm ACST

Gee! Thanks Brett.

Flattery will get you everywhere..

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