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Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11

International Cup 2011

The Australian Football League today released a list of nations that have signaled their aim to compete at the Australian Football International Cup 2011, with 22 countries having submitted an official Expression of Interest as of last Friday.

The 22 nations includes all 17 (Tonga included) who were in attendance in 2008, minus the Peace Team who are yet to submit a response. The six potential newcomers who have returned their official notification are Fiji, Croatia, France, Austria, Portugal and the Netherlands.

In addition to the initial 22 nations, AFL National Participation Programs Manager Josh Vanderloo indicates that the league has also had correspondence with further nations including Vanuatu, Italy and Indonesia who may further expand the field.

Vanderloo said, "The AFL is very pleased to have had such a positive response at this early stage. We now have a large base of interested nations to work with and over the next month or two we will finalise the event details so that they can plan their involvement in the 4th International Cup."

The AFL has not confirmed dates and venues for the IC11, although there is strong speculation that it will run from the 7th until the 21st of August 2011, and again be held in Melbourne and a regional Victorian center.

Any additional nominations will be added to the list below.

The countries who have now submitted an official Expression of Interest are:

NationPrevious ICs attended
1.PNG2002, 05, 08
2.New Zealand    2002, 05, 08
3.South Africa2002, 05, 08
4.Ireland2002, 05, 08
5.Nauru2002, 08
6.Canada2002, 05, 08
7.USA2002, 05, 08
8.Japan2002, 05, 08
9.Great Britain2002, 05, 08
10.Samoa2002, 05, 08
11.Denmark2002, 08
12.Tonga2008 (not in main draw)
13.Sweden2008
14.Finland2008
15.China2008
16.India2008
17.France(New)
18.Netherlands(New)
19.Croatia(New)
20.Fiji(New)
21.Portugal(New)
22.Austria(New)
23.Iceland(New) - added after story first published


Others with whom the AFL has had correspondence, but no official Expression of Interest as yet:

24.Peace Team    2008
25.Vanuatu(New)
26.Indonesia(New)
27.Italy(New)
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Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Brett Northey on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:52 pm ACST


So from the 32 possibles we identified a couple of weeks ago:

- 21 have expressed an interest
- 3 more are in contact with the AFL
- 8 have not made any preliminary indication at all (Spain, Catalonia, Iceland, Andorra, Norway, Germany, Solomon Islands, Czech Republic)

And in addition there are two slight surprises - Portugal and Indonesia (although I think we have mentioned Indonesia as a possible future candidate previously, so should have remembered them).

Some of the countries that have yet to make any contact have very small leagues so that is understandable. I was hoping Germany and Spain or Catalonia would nominate.

I know the Germans have had a long standing belief that the money/effort is better spent domestically growing the game (and one has to respect that), but they've played quite a few full field internationals now and their league has expanded, so it would be nice to see them at the International Cup one day. 2014 is a long way away.

Attention also turns to divisions. See our poll on the right hand side (at time of writing).

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 06:21 pm ACST

I've just received some emails suggesting that Iceland have also been in contact with the AFL, bringing it to 27 potentials.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 08:24 pm ACST

Certainly I've been in regular contact with Iceland (and have a standing invitation for their players to come early and play/train at my local club)......they have a stated desire to get down if possible.

Perhaps if there's large enough contingents from Europe for example that they can negotiate some shared group travel or the like and leverage off each other to lessen expense - mebbe a special charter 747?? (Qantas...Geoff Dixon...are you out there??)

It'd be great to see the AFL get the Aust Govt behind this.....a couple of million from the Feds for this would go a long way compared to the wining/dining expenses of the WC bid!!!! Simon Crean are YOU out there??

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Jörg Pareigis on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 08:28 pm ACST

When it comes to the money/benefit argument, one has to remember who is actually paying for the trip. It is the players. I hardly see that anyone of the players would take that 2000 Euro and spend it on the development on footy in their country. So, in my opinion, this argument is void. The IC is neither shifting focus from the development of footy in the respective countries. I rather believe that it can bring different regions and their players in a country closer together in striving for a common goal.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Michael Christiansen on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:09 pm ACST

and this is where - perhaps if for example Austria and the Czech republic can't support a stand alone full squad each.....would there be a potential for a mixed squad scenario?

It'd be nice to see the AFL manage some appearances of the growing 'international brigade' around the event - - although of course some of them may be involved in the pointy end of their club seasons leading into finals.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Brett Northey on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:35 pm ACST


Also, what are people thinking regarding the likelihood of it being in Melbourne and regional Victoria again, in August?

Personally I was keen to see other states explored as options, such as Gold Coast (a tie in with the new Gold Coast club perhaps?), and the weather would be warmer than Melbourne in winter, and a change of scenery for the many players and officials returning. But I suspect most countries will still want to get to Melbourne and the MCG etc.

I suppose bussing everyone down for a final round in Melbourne would be a logistical nightmare.


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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Mudgee on Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 11:42 pm ACST

Joerg, you have a point that a lot of the funding comes from the players (actually, that would be a really interesting WFN article - how all the teams are planning to finance their trip to the IC, fundraising ideas, etc). However this brings up another difference among the countries coming from afar for the IC. Some countries have enough footy going on that they have local leagues (e.g. in Britain, with London leagues, or in Denmark with the Premier league). Others are just starting out and so are not playing much footy at all (e.g. Austria). Somewhere in the middle you have countries which have leagues encompassing a large geographical area - e.g. Germany & France. For the first 2 categories, the costs incurred by the players week in week out is not that high. For the last category, players are already forking out big bucks and committing several weekends away from home each year just to play the regular season. So if you ask your top players to start stashing away money for the IC, then you risk them pulling out of regular season games, or the EU Cup.

Either way the IC money is money that has to be found somewhere. That is why, to me, the biggest surprise on this list is France. I would have thought they would have the same issues as the Germans with high travel costs. Maybe if the French can get to the IC the Germans will feel compelled to get there too!

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 12:00 am ACST


Interesting analysis in the way you divided up the different types of leagues in terms of player travel.

I was speculating based on previous information, so it'd be interesting to know whether the reason the Germans are not listed is indeed mainly about money, philosophy, or some other reason. And if it was about money, if they had something like a AUD$20k kick in from a sponsor, would that change everything? I HASTEN TO ADD THAT I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY SUCH SPONSOR!

I guess if an issue is the long road trips already in a regular AFLG season they could stage a shorter season, but of course they'd want their best players to get as many games into them as possible prior to the Cup. Still, a lot of US players do plenty of travel in a regular season and they manage (although they never get all their best down to Australia).

Mudgee, you used to be involved with the German national side didn't you? No more?

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Christopher P. Adams, Ph.D. on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 02:39 am ACST

USFooty has always seen the Revos and attendance at the IC as a key part of its development strategy. The belief (and experience) is that players coming back from the IC return with a lot of energy and commitment to the game and go into important development roles in clubs and the league.

BTW: nice logo!

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Carna Revos!

www.usfootynews.com

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Mudgee on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 04:34 am ACST

I am not directly involved in the German team any more, but still involved in the league via the Munich Kangaroos. The current thinking within the AFLG is not much different to previously .... the IC is something we would love to participate in, however we feel we have higher priority tasks at the moment to spend our time and money on. Expansion of the league (Stuttgart last year, Nuremberg hopefully starting this year, as well as a small Bavaria League just begun) is one, and getting more organised administratively is another, for example.

For the national team, the current priority is to get a strong team to the European championships in Sweden this year. We would love to get down to Melbourne but first things first.

Good point from the Revo fan about players returning from the tournament with a higher commitment to the game - we certainly find that from our national players after they have taken part in international games & tournaments. I guess there are many different ways and paths to successfully develop footy.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 07:28 am ACST

List updated - Iceland have sent in an EoI.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Troy Thompson on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 07:56 am ACST

I still think that there is room for combined teams - and this is on the back of the Peace Team breaking the mould in terms of only having teams representing a country. Such teams would only be able to play in lower divisions.

A Rest of Europe, Rest of Asia, Rest of the Pacific and even possibly Middle East and South American representative teams (if there were enough numbers) could allow players who are keen (for example a handful of German players) but their countries' body is not. Possibly even just a rest of the world.

Does the IC need this? Probably not. But if the aim is for the IC to be inclusive and involve as many countries as possible it should be considered.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Aaron Richard on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 02:23 pm ACST

The Peace Team sets a bit of a precedent for combined or regional teams, but you'd need to weigh it up with the expectations of the other teams. I don't think the organisers or the rest of the nations would want it to become too common.

I've heard mention about some of the Asian clubs fielding an ASEAN team though. Don't know whether that had been seriously discussed or was just an idea that had been floated by one of them.

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: Brett Northey on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 11:57 pm ACST


Not sure if my opinions have changed over the years on this, but for newer teams in a developing nations division, I'd love see for example South America, drawing on the small pool Chilean, Argentinean and possibly Brazilian players.

And it might really motivate a few of those guys to throw themselves into growing the game when they return home. Imagine if South America had even half the development going on that Europe does. And like Asia and Oceania, I imagine the Aussie dollar goes a bit further there than in Europe and North America.




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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Over 20 nations so far signal intent for IC11
Authored by: smusic on Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 08:44 am ACST

if they can get Germany to come it would be brilliant - NOT just for Germany but for the whole of Europe as it is such an influential nation in respects to soccer.