Tuesday, March 25 2008 @ 12:37 AM EST
Contributed by: Chris Adams
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As the GAA and the AFL debate beginning the International Rules series again, may I suggest a Third Way – a tri-nation series between Ireland, Australian and the USA played in the United States. By bringing USFooty, the North American GAA and the New York GAA into the series it would help to promote the game and the two codes – Australian football and Gaelic football in one of the largest economies in the world. It would also be likely to decrease the “tensions” associated with the previous series by putting the games in neutral territory, by being “a showcase” event for a new audience and by bringing in a third team that has not been involved in the earlier tiffs.
Obviously playing this series in the US would add additional complication to what is already a complicated experiment. Still, given that we are already experimenting with a hybrid game why not push things a little further? There could obviously be a great advantage to bringing the US into the series, but there are also concerns. However, some of the most obvious concerns are not really legitimate issues in this case. You can’t really count the US out because Australian football and Gaelic football are amateur sports in the US. Gaelic football is amateur everywhere. You also can’t count the US out because it is not a familiar game to US players – this hybrid game is as familiar to many US players as it is to Australian or Irish players and it may be more familiar to some US players because USFooty clubs have played North American GAA clubs in various International Rules games over the years. I can’t vouch for the quality of North American GAA players, but one suspects that there are many very talented players in the US. I am certainly willing to admit that American USFooty players still have some work to do, but even still players like the Brunmeier boys have shown that Americans can play Australian football at a high standard. Still, in order to make the match up even there may be a willingness to give the US a little bit more freedom in choosing a side than the AFL or GAA may have. For example, the US team could be made up of representatives from US leagues in both sports without necessarily being US citizens.
It is not obvious to me that the North American GAA and the New York GAA will be willing to join USFooty in putting together a team and hosting a tournament but it wouldn’t hurt to ask. My guess is that USFooty would jump at the chance to be involved in a series with the AFL and GAA and would also enjoy teaming with the US GAA leaders. In regards to the North American GAA and the New York GAA, my guess is that they may be willing to consider this proposal. The economic boom in Ireland and post-9/11 immigration reform in the US have put a crimp in the ability of US Gaelic football leagues to fill their rosters with Irish players. I’m sure many are looking out at the general US population and considering the possibility of introducing the game beyond the Irish diaspora. USFooty has never had the luxury of a large US-based Australian population and so would be excited to further expose the game to potential players and fans.
A US-based series would be a great opportunity for Irish brands such as Setanta Sports, Guinness and Kerrygold and Australia brands such as Fosters, Qantas and Westfield Shopping Centers to push their products in the United States. The games can also be carried to large TV audiences in the Australia and Ireland. Afternoon games in the US can be watched early in the morning Australian time and in the evening in Ireland. Finding quality accommodations for such games would be straightforward given the field is similar to those used by soccer, rugby and American football.
It looks like the AFL and the GAA are beginning to move forward to set up a new series between the two leagues. Australian and Irish leaders should consider a third way. Consider inviting USFooty, the North American GAA and the New York GAA to put together a team to represent the US and allow these leagues to host the best of the AFL and the GAA here in the United States of America.
Editor (Brett): Note this is very similar to an idea put forward on WFN several years ago by Peter Parry (see "Inter-Rules" - The Future? and International Rules - living up to the name: New York), but certainly worth re-visiting for those who feel IR is a way forward for Aussie Rules expansion (I'm probably slightly on the negative side on this one but that's just my personal opinion).
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A Third Way: International Rules in the USA
Authored by: Sean on
Tuesday, March 25 2008 @ 05:15 PM EST
The game is no longer anything like Aussie Rules, and would only serve to promote Gaelic Football in the USA.
Instead, the AFL should be promoting international footy. An international match Ireland vs South Africa held in Capetown or Papua New Guinea vs New Zealand in Port Moresby would do far more to promote our game.
Authored by: peter on
Tuesday, March 25 2008 @ 08:46 PM EST
like the two gentlmen before me I now have little or no interest in International series as it only benefits the Irish game there are no benefits for Australian football.If the US were to enter it should have been several years ago. Then the Irish would really have somthing to complain about, as I remember the Galahs back in the 60's coming home battered and brusied from a tour of the US.Lets put the money into helping the International teams come and play for the cup.
Authored by: Peter P on
Tuesday, March 25 2008 @ 09:13 PM EST
May as well weigh in here given my previous articles saying similar things.
I'd disagree with Sean that IR is not at all like Australian Football and only supports GF. There was little fundamental change to playing rules in the Dubai document. The running further and two bounces, direct pick up from the ground, tackle and mark and minor things like interchange players are all foreign to Gaelic Football - and the hybrid is a pretty fair compromise.
Of course round ball and net in goal do give a strong visual similarity to GF rather than AF.
Promoted the right way a Test in New York with curtain-raiser of USAFL/AFLCanada v NAGAA/NYGAA (or Canada from Canadian GAA plus AFLCanada v USA from US GAA plus AF) would be great marketing. My point in previous posts is same as Chris - this could kick start a much wider interest in Nth America. Perhaps GF in Nth America would benefit more than AF, but the benefits to AF would still be substantial.
Later a US/Canada (or both) could try and compete 3 way with Ireland and Australia - but the time committment here would be a drawback given IR is constrained to a max of 1 month to not impact on home seasons of both AFL and GAA.
The matches would not be frequent enough to seriously impact on the UASFL/AFLCanada's schedules. The International Cup and related AF tournaments and increasing visits from Aussie teams would still keep the main focus well and truly on AF.
Finally the promotion of Gaelic Football is a bit of a win for Aussie Rules given the links between GF and AF clubs around the world (see IR stories) and easy interchange of players. If GF ever became an Olympic sport (some in GAA dream of it) then the number of elite athletes able to switch to AF from many countries would benefit the AFL itself and probably promote AF quite well internationally.
Would GF or IR be a threat to AF? which seems the worry sometimes posted here. Nowhere near as much as Soccer and Rugby are now I think.
Authored by: Troy Thompson on
Wednesday, March 26 2008 @ 07:54 AM EST
The AFL two years ago asked the USAFL to look at getting together with the gaelic football people in the US to put together a team to compete against the Australian and Irish teams in the U17 competition for IR. I don't know how far that was ever advanced, but I assume was put back in the drawer when the series was scrapped. I think if that had been successful and if at all competitive it may have lead to them being included at senior level. Of course I seriously doubt that the USAFL could have put together any U17 kids capable of being competitive with the Aussie and Irish kids - but we now may never know. It also may have meant a lot more serious funding for the US from the AFL if they could have demonstrated a group of talented US youngsters.
Authored by: Munro_Mick on
Wednesday, March 26 2008 @ 12:24 PM EST
I might just suggest that it is hugely beneficial (for the AFL) that the GAA maintains an Amateur game.
This is the ONLY reason one would contemplate risking unleashing international rules hybrid games on the US. That the GAA IS NOT in a position to take the lead via Gaelic (although it could still happen).
The danger of course is confusing the poor souls in the US. It's hard enough to assert that Rugby (League) is NOT Australian Football. Let alone if we come over & play a game with a round ball on a rectangle pitch and try to assert that our game is played on an oval with an ellipsoid ball and no x-bars or nets. Talk about mixed messages.
Let's just give our game a chance. Better that we do all we can to encourage a junior version of the INternational cup playing 'Aust Footy'.
Kill off the senior IC if need be - replace it perhaps with an inter continental 'super IC'. But - at the junior level - especially should there be kids in the US, or UK, or Canada or whereever who may play the game at school or in a shortened season over summer or whatever - if they have the chance to fair dinkum represent their country on the otherside of the world - and effectively be 'on display' to recruiters - for what to those kids may be just a short window of opportunity for us before they focus on their normal activiities. I reckon that's the way to go - it'd also maximise the likelihood of junior exposed kids to continue into the senior ranks - whilst exposing to Australians that international footy is gradually becoming less about ex-pats meeting for a drink (not that that was or is ever a bad thing).
Forget the 'senior' level stuff in the US. <B>The games with Ireland REALLY only mean anything BECAUSE we have recruited fellows from there. Until we get our first bona fide US/Canadian AFL draftee - then, what's the point?</B>
Authored by: eread on
Tuesday, April 01 2008 @ 08:40 PM EST
Yep. Forget IR. Should be an occasional oddity much like a hybrid
League/Union match might be.
AFL should be concentrating on Australian Rules international fixtures. Will take
some time but I hope in the next 20 years Australia could get some regular
game time (with a professional team) against other national sides.
Hopefully incursions into South Africa, US and Canada and anywhere with
cricket pitches (also China) will make this more realistic.
Instead, the AFL should be promoting international footy. An international match Ireland vs South Africa held in Capetown or Papua New Guinea vs New Zealand in Port Moresby would do far more to promote our game.
Just let sleeping dogs lie I say.