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Irish flood set to sweep AFL

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The trickle of Irish players into the Australian Football League is set to become a flood in 2008. Carlton may be about to take the recruiting experiment to a new level, and what had been a curiosity could now become a major phenomenon, set to shape the on-field destinies of some clubs and possibly even bring on the possibility of true international Australian Football competition for Australia.

There are currently five Irishmen on AFL lists:

Tadhg Kennelly - Sydney
Setanta O'hAilpin - Carlton
Aisake O'hAilpin - Carlton
Colm Begley - Brisbane
Martin Clarke - Collingwood

A further three have previously been reported as heading Down Under in the pre-season and could be rookie listed shortly:

Pierce Handley - Brisbane
Brendan Murphy - Sydney
Kevin Dyas - Collingwood

Now Carlton have announced that they will be joined by All-Ireland finalist Michael Shields, 20, for a trial run in November. This could bring the total of international recruits trying their luck to nine in 2008.

Further, there is a report that four more players, aged 16 and 17, have signed exclusive contracts which mean that if the young men choose to try their hand in the AFL, it will be with the Blues. In the meantime the club would pay a small fee and work with them in developing their skills, while they remain in Galway, Cork, Laois and Armagh respectively.

However Carlton's football operations manager Steven Icke, currently in Ireland, stated on the club's website "I am meeting with some other players but I'm not going to state who they are", but that in relation to contracts being signed "That's all wrong (regarding payments). No payments have been made. I'm here to talk to some people but there are no offers being made at this stage". So perhaps no signings have been made, but they may be imminent.

This is a major shift in the search for Irish talent, and does not fall within the AFL's international scholarship program so has no restrictions. AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou has agreed that there is nothing outside of AFL rules in what Carlton were reported to have done. Several times this year we've stated on WFN that although we do not enjoy the pillaging of GAA clubs in terms of its potential impact on sport in Ireland, the reality is that now the rush is on AFL club recruiters need to be widening their nets. The AFL competition is kept in fairly close balance by the National Draft system, but the Irish experiment is a way to circumvent such restrictions. Begley showed how quickly a player can be developed, and Clarke has shown signs of being a future star with just months in the game. If an AFL club can recruit the equivalent of one or two first round draft picks, in the tight premiership race that would easily make the difference between a flag and a struggle to make the finals. Indeed Clarke was instrumental in helping Collingwood back into the contest in one of their finals - just a small sign of what may come.

Put another way, with a population of around 4 to 5 million people, with many of their elite athletes playing Gaelic football, if indeed the best players can transition to Aussie Rules, then ignoring Ireland is akin to ignoring Victoria at the draft. There are of course complications and many Irish players may not want to make the change, or may not be able to, and none have the advantage of growing up with the sport, but even if Ireland only yielded 10% of the players Victoria does, that would still have a profound effect on our sport.

A further tantalising prospect exists. In 2008 there will probably be nine Irishmen on AFL lists. With Carlton's possible move to lock in other youngsters, unless the AFL steps in to prevent it, other clubs will almost certainly do the same. By 2010 we could easily see 10 to 20 players from Ireland gracing Australia's AFL stadia. This trend could fade after the initial burst, but if not, 30 or 40 such players could be AFL regulars by the middle of the next decade. If that were the case, then forget painful attempts to resume State of Origin, forget the controversial hybrid of International Rules - bring on Australia versus Ireland in full Aussie Rules.

The report detailing Carlton's alleged recent raid is Carlton plunders Irish teen stocks, by Caroline Wilson, on Real Footy.

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Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Sean on Thursday, October 25 2007 @ 08:36 AM EST
Hey let's not get too excited based on a couple of Irish success stories ....

Firstly most of the Gaelic players in the AFL tend to play rebound defender or ruck roles (possibly due to the attributes of players in gaelic as a code), and to date the recruiters have only gone for mid size to talls. What I am saying is that you can't have a team full of half-backs and ruckmen ! You need your goal kicking forwards and your hard nosed midfielders as well. Until we see some Irish imports become key position players or midfielders, you'd find it extremely hard to compile a best 22 to play Australia, let alone one that wouldn't be defeated by 300 points.

Then consider who are you going to get to turn up to see it ? I doubt that people from Ireland would turn up in any great number. The success of the IR series was that the compromise rules drew followers from both codes. There is really no point in planning a senior "international" match unless it has both countries (or at least one) are going to be fired up about it, and I couldn't see Australians going along unless it was a relatively even contest. I think that ultimately the concept would have to start by entering Ireland as a "state" in a State of Origin series and see how they go. At least it would be a good reason for a return to the series (and a change from the consistently watering down of the 150th celebrations of our game by its current governing body, the VFL/AFL).

Also, remember that 1) not all of these guys are fully Irish (at least the O'Hailpins aren't, and Clarke is from Northern Ireland) so you'd have to think hard about eligibility 2) these guys are not all Gaelic footballers - Setanta was a hurler and 3) only 3 of them are current senior players - the rest are yet to debut in the seniors and may even get delisted before they get to strutt their stuff. Just because they are drafted as a rookie does not mean they are necessarily of AFL quality.

I'd like to see a few more at state level to round out the numbers and to make their way up instead of taking up the AFL rookie lists in place of talented players who have learned the game since juniors. And I'd personally like the AFL recruiters to think outside the square in terms of international rookies and draft some athletes from other countries.

Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Brett on Thursday, October 25 2007 @ 12:35 PM EST

The small part of the story about possible future international competition is purely an extrapolation if the trends continue - I accept they may not.

I don't think the fact that the O'hAilpins were born in Australia particularly rules them out as genuine Irishmen.

I agree with the point about most of the recuits thus far being half back types. But Clarke may well become a midfielder, Setanta a full back (but has also been used up forward), and if the experiment continues to yield success there are plenty of bigger Irishmen who may also be recruited.

Regarding State of Origin, it appears to have died again as the support is not there from the clubs. The AFL can't make them do what they don't want to do. Part of that relates to some clubs thinking too many players will be used, giving them a premiership season disadvantage, and with so many states competing there is no way to fit in a genuine series. Whereas we have seen that a 2 game international series has more chance of being played (International Rules).

And who would come and watch it? Plenty turn up for the hybrid series, so a well promoted true Aussie Rules international would draw too in Australia. IF there was a decent stadium to play Aussie Rules in Ireland on a large scale, would the Irish turn up to see their boys come home and represent them? We can't know for sure, but I suspect they would. Anyway, this is all just speculation about a possible future.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Ash on Thursday, October 25 2007 @ 07:19 PM EST
I have to disagree Sean, I think it's very exciting. Let's face it, it'll be very tough for Australia to find a genuine Australian football opponent in the near future, except for say South Africa (which are still a long way off). Gaelic converts may be the key to fast-tracking Ireland's football program. And once Australia has one country to play against, those who continually say "If Australian football is so great why doesn't anyone else play it?" will be shut-up and surely it won't be much longer before global interest grows and more people take up the game.

Regardless of the position the current Irish lads play on the field, they are giving our game exposure in Ireland. Tadgh and the Swans have made inroads for our game in Ireland and this exposure may lead to Irish kids taking up the game. As these kids develop we might see Irish full-forwards and position players being drafted. Don't get me wrong, it's a long way off. But imagine there is an adequate football presence in Ireland in five years. Five year olds begin to take up the game. They reach eighteen and are draft prospects. Thats eighteen years away but it's better than fifty years and much better than never at all.

I'm confident fans would turn out in big numbers to see an international between Australia and Ireland.
1.) You'd have those Irish that would love to see them beat Australia at their own game
2.) Ireland would be playing! National duty to support your country.
3.) *Fingers crossed* that the Irish in the AFL would lead to an Irish interest in the AFL. They'd go along to see their stars play.
4.) The fact that football is a great game (and similar to Gaelic football). Surely if they were fans of exciting, physical sports they would get along to see.

I'm sure Gaelic fans haven't boycotted soccer because a few of their players were stolen. If they continue to look at football as a threat to their own game then perhaps it will be. They need to accept it in its own right. There is room in Ireland for both games.
Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: JMS on Friday, October 26 2007 @ 11:04 PM EST
Martin Clarke may become a truly great midfielder. Setanta may become a good key position player. Colm Begley could become another Kennelly, and Kennelly's one of the best the Swans have.

If this is the continuing caliber of Irish imports into the AFL (and that's a big 'if', but it's all a big if at this point) then a match between Ireland and Australia at the MCG would sell out, easy. Yes, the Australian lineup looks scary, almost impossible to beat, but people said the same thing in basketball about the USA dream team, and they're getting beaten increasingly often. And Irishmen are a chance in any contest, no matter how long the odds. And so many AFL fans would just love the chance to see the All-Australian team in action, whatever the opposition.

Just having 100,000 people watching Ireland playing any sport in any country would be a big story in Ireland, win or lose. In fact, you don't get 100,000 people watching many international contests in any sport. It could get noticed in a number of countries. Which could start an international rivalry known around the world, which in turn changes the sport's image from one of obscurity, to that of a recognised international sport...that a few other nations might then want a piece of.
Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Brett on Friday, October 26 2007 @ 11:40 PM EST

Yep, it's all crystal ball gazing and a splash of hope, but it could be a very important step in giving credibility to the game's international push.

Imagine a national side now from a third country, like Canada, South Africa, Britain or China etc, looking for funding, and the government says, "Who else plays this sport - show us these internationals". Well pointing at Australia vs Ireland in from of 100,000 fans would open their eyes.

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN

Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Sean on Tuesday, October 30 2007 @ 05:26 PM EST
Sorry guys, I still can't get pumped about this.

What does it mean for legitimate world footy to reduce internationals to a farce exhibition match of a bunch of gaelic football converts against Australia ?? Personally I'd rather wait 20 years for the real thing.

I mean neither Australia or the USA get excited about the prospect of an Australian NFL team because of a handful of converted punters. To me it is really similar pie in the sky stuff. Our games may be similar but they are still very different.

I really can't see an Irish AFL team composed of gaelic football converts ever being any better than a State of Origin team from the ACT.

I think until I see a Jonathan O'Brown come out of Ireland I'll continue to be skeptical ....

Irish flood set to sweep AFL
Authored by: Brett on Tuesday, October 30 2007 @ 07:26 PM EST

Well I wouldn't say I'm pumped about it, but I think it can help open Australian eyes to world footy in general. I guess we'll see - not that I'm expecting a Jonathon Brown either - he's pretty much one of a kind in the league these days. Maybe in ten years we can compare the ACT SOO with an Irish AFL side then - make sure you remind me. 8)

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Brett Northey - Co-founder and Chief Editor of WFN